SECTION 1 : APPLICATION BASICS
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1.1) Character Name:Kelmer
1.2) Character Class:Fury warrior
1.3) Character Server:greymane
1.4) Real Life Name: Paulo angel
1.5) Real Life Age:19
1.6) Previous Guilds/Servers:been in greymane since i started playing.
1.7) Previous Raiding Experience, If Any:11/12 bosses in icc and a some attempts at LK.
1.8) Approximate Date You Started Playing WoW:August of 2008
1.9) Can You Attend All Raids Most Weeks? (Yes|No):yes
1.10) Outside Of Raids, What Days And Times Are You Generally Online? :im usually on from 7pm server to late hours.


SECTION 2 : CHARACTER INFORMATION
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2.1) Please provide a link to your armory profile:http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Greymane&cn=Kelmer

2.2 ) Please explain your spec in words. How did you arrive at this spec? What is the purpose of this spec? What filler points have you used and why did you pick the ones you have? Why do you use these glyphs over others available? If you had a 4th glyph slot, what additional glyph would you use and why?

Fury dps is a fps spec that has very short cds for a high dps. All of the points in my spec are there to max out damage out put, the rest are mostly pvp therefor not needed. the rest of the points are in arms for a bleed and more weapon damage. For glyphs i have Cleave, Heroic strike and whirlwind, this glyphs help my dps out lots by increasing crit cool downs wish helps out tons on teh overall dps.

2.3) If you are currently a wearing different gear (i.e. PvP gear) in your armory please use this tool to link your current gear. Please explain your gear set. What is your general rule of thumb for how you choose between pieces of gear? What gems do you typically use? Especially make sure to note any unusual gear selections (i.e. old-world Tier gear, green gear, etc) and why you use them.

For my gear i have a 2 set tier i didn't go for the 4 piece set because i like my rotation as it is and extra slam would not b that helpful, i went for the frost badges armor that has crit and Arp. I stacked ArP till i caped and now i gem for strength+crit gems.

2.4) Please explain your class and spec as succinctly as possible. What are you about? If you are DPS, please tell me your general rotation. If you are a tank, tell me how you tank and what things you watch for while tanking. If you are a healer, please tell me the general heals you use, how much you use them relative to each other, and in what circumstances you use them. Show us you know how to play your class.

Fury dps is about sticking with your rotation and managing your rage. most warrior have trouble managing their rage. Ex. If you Heroic Strike under 50% rage you are most likely going to rage starve your self, that means that you next rotation is most likely not going to happen due to fact that you have no rage. Slam also plays a big part in fury's warriors rotation, its the filler in until your abilities are back up. IF you don't hit your slam proc at the time your dps will not be as good as it could of been. Good thing for me i have all of this on check

2.5) Are you willing to respec to fit guild needs? If so, which specs would you be willing to play? If not, why not?

IF guild was to ask me to respec it would be tank, im not the best tank but i get job done.

2.6) Please explain your professions choices. Which have you chosen? Why have you chosen those professions? Do you have any rare or unique patterns?

I am a Jewelcrafter and Miner, i went for this professions because in BC i was tired of looking for some one to cut my gems and it seem like a fun profession to level and it was , I also have most of the epic cuts.

2.6) Please provide a WWS or damage meter parse best showing your abilities as a player. If you feel it necessary, you may explain what it is we are looking at or use the space below to draw our attention to things that most highlight your ability. It is important to note that we will critique you not just based on your performance in the attached link, but also critique the fight that you choose to highlight. For example, if you are a warrior trying to show off a Loatheb parse, then we will laugh at you. Parses from challenging encounters requiring movement or critical thinking are very valuable. Note: If you do not have access to a WWS parse, we may be able to find alternative ways to trial your abilities.


3.1) Please tell us who you are. Where do you live? What do you do? Are you a student? Do you have a family? Retired?

I live in Michigan, I am a student and i have a part time job in Best Buy. And yeah i have a great loving family

3.2) Please give us some hint as to what you like. Post a link below to a particular website, comic, movie, youtube, music clip, article, etc that represents you particularly well or that you enjoy. Please also add a sentence or two explaining why you have chosen this.

In high school i did wrestling for all 4 years of high school, almost got state but got beat twice that tournament. anyways my junior yeah i was looking up wrestling matches on youtube and came across MMA fights i watched a few and now really enjoy watching UFC and old MMA fights so here is one of my favorite fighters Cro Cop.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na0Gucw1qK0

Gear looks great, talents/glyphs are fine, general knowledge seems fine.

A couple of notes though:

- I understand you pvp, but if accepted you would be expected to switch over to pve shoulder enchants. (+100 dps)

- With all the Arp gemming, you're decently over cap, though I'm sure you're already aware of this. Fixing this is substantial. (+170 dps)

- I think you underestimate the value of the 4p t10 bonus, especially if you have access to t10 marks. (with no change of gear, bonus is +190 dps)


And now questions:

- What guild did you raid with before? Or is all your instance gear from pugs?

- In the rotation section of the app, you mention the importance of not rage starving yourself via HS and the inclusion of Slam, but you don't actually talk about your rotation. Please elaborate. There's BT, WW, HS vs Cleave, Slam, Execute, Heroic Throw, Rend, etc. When, if at all, do you use each of these abilities?

- About the shoulder enchant, its not due to pvp purposes its because I never got exalted with hodier boys. If its a problem i could work on that, I've just never liked to quest and people told me that quest line was a pain in the but. I do not remember if mention that i also have a tank set, its not best but i've tanked 11/12 bosses in icc 10 man i think is a 5.7 GS not sure just fyi.

- About the ArP, i am over capped atm because i am going to buy the belt that you can buy from frost vendor. and i need to replace 71 ArP.

- Renost you are probably right about the 4 piece set,but i figured that cool downs are short as it is and that an extra slam would not make a big difference.But i do have the 264 tier gloves. Another thing or reason why i didn't go for 4 piece set was the passive stats (expertise,hit), i figured that I could get them from other pieces of armor and just go for arp and crit. At that point i had enough crit and hit so it seem very rational to go for the pieces that i have now.

- The last guild that was Mortality on Horde, guild leader got the core group and got us into a bigger raiding guild (Prelude). We were more of a 10m raiding guild it was small it was good but we had some trouble with people showing up. So we merged with prelude, by time we merged most of the prelude original members were burned out and didn't really wanted to clear instance so most of the time we would call in on queen or princess, or we rarely sindy.For 10 mans it was the same story, most time i would end up puging my 10 man and I don't know if you know but hordes pugs are not the best by far.

-For my rotation i start out with a WW and then BT, slam if it procs, and spam HS if i enough rage which is the case for most of the boss fights then cleans and repeat from there, this is the rotation for bosses, Heroic throw in a few executes at the end but its raely when i use heroic throw, As far as rend goes never use it, and cleave i mostly use it for multiple targets. I actually tried using cleave instead of HS sometime ago. Figured that since i speced into cleave i would do somewhat more damage but it was fail HS by far is the best in my opinion. As for Heroic trow i honestly don't use it ad often as i should do to the fact that by time i use the ability switch stances then charge the debuff is almost have way. There are some occasions where use it at the beginning of the fight but this is does not happen often.

And now I'm excited to read renost's response *gets popcorn*

You do know that you can buy Hodir rep right? It costs only 1 triumph badge and it gives you like 550 rep, its only been out for like...months now.

lolwut?

Besides a bunch of typos and I believe mixing up Heroic Throw and Shattering Throw, there's not much wrong here, at least that I'm going to make a fuss about.

I was going to respond but then iron chef came on

Oh yeah, I remember. The questline is not in the least obnoxious if you have an epic flyer and hours worth of time, and it'll net you some solid cash.

Thanks for tryin bro.

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To be fair he's talking about his off-spec, which we can't just see by looking at the armory.

On the phone so too hard to quote his response,but...

Ww comes before bt on the rotation, at what gear level or stats is that? Also the idea of 'ill throw in some executes' seems very off the cusp and not too scientific/ researched.

Not reasons to deny the app or anything like that, just figure be worth talking about.

Oops, good catch. Either I completely missed that or that was part of his edit. That's a pretty huge fault in your rotation. Where do you generally go for information/advice on fury dps? Please read up more on theory crafting. You don't need to be an expert but at least have the right answers even if you only have a moderate understanding of why. For example, quiz question - Under what circumstances is it OK/not OK to use HEROIC Throw?



Also, you realize that the tier bonus not only gives you 2 stacks of the proc, but doubles the length of time you have to use them? This becomes much more important once you tighten your rotation to do reasonable dps.

Or you could just have Shadowmourne and that will do all the DPS for you

Haha, QQ moar.

- ryu, yeah i know about the mark that can buy for honor but when i have a few emblems I just buy a gem cut it and put it on the AH. XD

- About my rotation, I have always used WW before BT just makes since to me to use the bigger cool down first but using BT to start would be ok i guess since it has such a small cd. I do not remember where i read on it but it was some time ago right before toc came out. Also the executes I use them very rarely, along with Heroic throw.

- quiz question - Under what circumstances is it OK/not OK to use HEROIC Throw?
A. Ill probably get it wrong since i rarely use it but, i would use Heroic throw after Bloodlust I would also consider the amount of melee.

- I didn't know that it doubled the proc time, which is very nice. But i think that there is only so much you can do with that because your BT is is on a 4sec cooldown.Although it could b usefull if you slam does not proc, but then again 4 secs is very fast cool down following by 8 sec cd i think slam is going proc. My point under very small cool downs and slam procing so often, 2 slams with twice as much time on it will not make that much of a difference.

Here is what I'm thinking right now. Fury Warriors are a Dime-a-dozen. So you have to make yourself stand out. How you do this is to maximize your character. What you've already shown us that maximizing one reputation is too much of a hassle. Granted WotLK is on the downward slope in terms of raiding. But we're still raiding and more importantly will likely be raiding at a more fevered pace once Cataclysm is released. Do we as a guild really want to bring someone that won't take the 2 hours out of a single day to even start the quest line? I can get past not having it exalted if you recently leveled to 80; but you didn't, you hit 80 almost 8 months ago.

I don't know what I was initially thinking, maybe just blinded by decent gear and was more forgiving about confusing statements. The more Kelmer responds, the less impressed I become. I completely agree with Ves concerning your evident lack of effort.

When I asked you what sources you use for theorycrafting/advice, that was a not-so-subtle hint to go find some. Essentially face-rolling a couple abilities according to what makes "since" is not impressive.

Gigantic fail on the quiz question since due to your mention of the amount of melee, I'm guessing you're still thinking of SHATTERING Throw, as I mentioned earlier in this thread. SHATTERING applies a armor debuff, HEROIC is a simple damage attack.

How could you not know that the proc duration is doubled? Quoting your own Helm and Shoulder's: "and the duration of the effect to be increased by 100%".

I feel like some popcorn.

Kelmer, I am not one to make judgments with this since I am new and pretty far behind on gear from the rest here but as an FYI, if you didn't already know, you can also just grab the tabard from the quartermaster of the rep. you want and just queue for random heroics. Wear the tabard in the runs and you get rep for that faction for every kill, it goes pretty quick, not to mention the extra badges to spend on the rep. as well.

If you also haven't checked out Elitist Jerks site, there is a rather extensive Theorycraft for Fury warriors on there. It's quite long with loads of information including all the math your heart desires but, I imagine it may take longer to read through it all then it would to get exalted with a reputation.

there's no hodir tabard. you either do repeats, turn in relics of ulduar, or buy tokens with triumph badges. the triumph badge method is the easiest. honestly, not being able to pass up 1000g in gems to get exalted on any one character reflects pretty badly on your raiding mentality.

Ahhh I never looked since I got exalted with them from doing the quests, just did the tabard for others

I didn't know that 15crit was going to be that big of a deal, its kinda funny to be honest. I simply don't like to quest and I'll rather do something else with with does 2 hours of my day.

On my sources i talked to my ex guild mate when first hit 80 and read a bit. "Essentially face-rolling a couple abilities according to what makes "since" is not impressive", I have question about this sentence there is only so much you need to know about geming and the rotation of 4 abilities. There are a few more things i want to say but I'll leave it at that lol.

On your quiz question i admit i got the moves confused.

For the extended time on the slam proc i was being sarcastic, but like i said +190 dps not a big deal.

I think that you made a big issue about 15crit and an extra slam, and i would not say that i have a lack of effort its just not worth it its not going to be a major change on my dps therefor it should not be a big issue in this app. I understand you worries about the theorycrafting but i mean i lvled the toon i've raided with for some time now i know how to do the damage i,ve tried mixing up the abilities and what not. I just think that you guys are marking a big deal about it, but its the expectations you have in your guild and respect it. It was nice exchanging ideas and comments with you guys and GL on Cata.